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Forecast for 92L: dissipation by Friday
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 16. јун 2010, 14:17 GMT +3
A low pressure system about 700 miles east of the Lesser Antilles Islands, Invest 92L, was near tropical depression status early this morning, but is currently weakening. Infrared satellite loops show the disturbance's heavy thunderstorm activity has decreased markedly in the past few hours, with the cloud top temperatures warming noticeably, indicating that 92L's thunderstorms are no longer pushing as high into the atmosphere. Water vapor satellite loops show that the storm is surrounded on all sides by dry air, though there is a region of moister air in front of it that 92L will encounter on Thursday. Wind shear as diagnosed by the University of Wisconsin is near 20 knots, though the SHIPS model is diagnosing the shear at a higher 25 - 30 knots. This high shear is pushing 92L's heavy thunderstorm activity to the east side of the center of circulation, and the center will probably become exposed to view late this morning. Had 92L been able to maintain the heavy thunderstorm activity it had early this morning for 12 or so hours, it could have been classified as a tropical depression. However, classification as a TD requires persistent heavy thunderstorm activity, typically interpreted to mean 12 hours of consistent heavy thunderstorm activity, and 92L did not meet that criterion.


Figure 1. Morning satellite image of Invest 92L. Image credit: NOAA.

The forecast for 92L: dissipation
Wind shear is the main story in the forecast for 92L, as a band of very high wind shear of 20 - 50 knots lies to the northwest of the storm. The current expected track of 92L carries it into this band of high wind shear, and the SHIPS model (based on the GFS model) is predicting that the shear will remain in the 25 - 30 knot range through Friday. Other models predict higher shear levels. It is likely that the high shear, combined with the dry air surrounding the storm, will destroy 92L by Friday. The National Hurricane Center is giving 92L a low (10% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Friday morning, and this is a reasonable forecast. It is likely that 92L will bring heavy rain showers and wind gusts up to 35 mph on Friday to the Lesser Antilles Islands. I don't expect 92L to be organized enough to cause flooding problems to any of the islands in its path. None of our reliable global computer models develop 92L into a tropical depression. The rest of the tropical Atlantic is quiet, and none of the reliable computer models is calling for tropical cyclone development in the Atlantic over the next seven days.

Is the formation of 92L a harbinger of an active hurricane season?
According to the Hurricane FAQ, Goldenberg (2000) found that during the period 1944 - 1999, formation of a named storm in the tropical Atlantic south of 22°N and east of 77°W during June and July was a harbinger of at least an average season, and in many cases an above average season. The formation of a storm in this region during June or July is one factor the NOAA and Colorado State University seasonal hurricane forecast teams have used in the past as a predictor for an active season in their early August forecasts. Now, 92L didn't make it to named storm status, though it was pretty close to being a tropical depression. However, the near-formation of 92L into a tropical depression, is, in my mind, a clear harbinger that we can expect a severe hurricane season this year. It's very rare to have a development like 92L in that portion of the tropical Atlantic this early in the season. The lower than average wind shear and higher than average SSTs that helped 92L get organized are more likely than not to carry over into the main portion of hurricane season, giving us a much more active hurricane season than normal.


Figure 2. Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) image of the oil spill taken at 7:51 am EDT Tuesday June 15, 2010, by the Canadian Radarsat-1 satellite, operated by MDA GeospatialServices of Richmond, Canada. A large amount of oil was present on the Florida Panhandle coast near Pensacola, and was headed east towards Panama City. Image credit: Center for Southeastern Tropical Advanced Remote Sensing, University of Miami Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science. SAR images have a resolution of 8 - 50 meters, and can be taken through clouds and precipitation.

Oil spill wind and ocean current forecast
Light and variable winds less than 10 knots will blow in the northern Gulf of Mexico for the next five days, according to the latest marine forecast from NOAA. The winds will tend to have a westerly component for the most part, which will maintain a slow (1/4 mph) eastward-moving surface ocean current that will transport oil eastwards along the Florida Panhandle coast, according to the latest ocean current forecast from NOAA's HYCOM model. These winds and currents may be capable of transporting oil east past Panama City, Florida to Cape San Blas by Monday. Oil will continue to threaten the coasts of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi for the remainder of the week as well, according to the latest trajectory forecasts from NOAA and the State of Louisiana. The long range 8 - 16 day forecast from the GFS model indicates a typical summertime light wind regime, with winds mostly blowing out of the south or southeast. This wind regime will likely keep oil close to the coastal areas that have already seen oil impacts over the past two weeks.

NOAA has lauched a great new interactive mapping tool that allows one to overlay wind forecasts, ocean current forecasts, oil location, etc.

Oil spill resources
My post, What a hurricane would do the Deepwater Horizon oil spill
My post on the Southwest Florida "Forbidden Zone" where surface oil will rarely go
My post on what oil might do to a hurricane
NOAA has lauched a great new interactive mapping tool that allows one to overlay forecasts and oil location observations
Gulf Oil Blog from the UGA Department of Marine Sciences
Oil Spill Academic Task Force
University of South Florida Ocean Circulation Group oil spill forecasts
ROFFS Deepwater Horizon page
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) imagery from the University of Miami

I'll have an update on Thursday.

Jeff Masters
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601. SavannahStorm 16. јун 2010, 19:56 GMT    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Georgia's hurricane history is very weird.


We had 7 major hurricanes make landfall during the 1800s. During the 1900s we had none.

I see ads for houses and condos here, and they talk about how rare hurricanes are. They don't come out and say destructive hurricanes are impossible here, but it is just, just.

There is a popular misconception that major hurricanes are impossible in Georgia. Especially since we have had several instances when 3-4 days out Cat 4 landfalls were forecast (Floyd, Frances) and a Cat 3 landfall (Emily, 1993) There are a lot of people, especially those who have lived here for a long time, who won't leave---thinking a hurricane will turn away at the last minute. Especially those who experienced or heard about the Floyd evacuation snafu, people trapped in cars on the highways, 10 hours, 20 hours.

The Georgia coast is not densely populated, but I have a feeling that when a major hurricane does come a lot of people will be killed because they won't leave.


I totally agree. After the Floyd fiasco probably 50% of the city of Savannah won't leave. In a major hurricane, many of them will die.
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604. CaneWarning 16. јун 2010, 19:59 GMT    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
It couldn't be helped, but John Hope's loss was a big part of The Weather Channel's decline.


Agreed. I can't really remember the last time I watched TWC.
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605. cyclonekid 16. јун 2010, 20:00 GMT    
**REPOST**
TROPICAL DEPRESSION TWO-EImages made by Cyclonekid

Tracking (No Satellite):

Tracking (Satellite):

Forecast:

Advisories:
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607. Caribbeanislands101 16. јун 2010, 20:01 GMT    
http://www.accuweather.com/video/95710851001/weekend-worries-in-haiti.asp
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608. msphar 16. јун 2010, 20:02 GMT    
Yeehah! a naked swirly thing. Pleasure to a sailboat skipper, may they all end this way!
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610. Caribbeanislands101 16. јун 2010, 20:03 GMT    
Quoting JRRP:
another one ??


Is that an old model, i couldn't find another storm forming in June?
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611. CaneWarning 16. јун 2010, 20:03 GMT    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Some of the ads for properties here really come up to the line. I remember a few years ago an ad for Coast Cottages in The Wall Street Journal (a strange looking, but very expensive development on the beach) that said "The Georgia Coast is uniquely safe from hurricanes. The Georgia coast did not have even a single major hurricane landfall during the 1900s."

Technically true----but very misleading I thought.


I've seen stuff like that in the Tampa/St. Pete area. Crazy.
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612. Caribbeanislands101 16. јун 2010, 20:04 GMT    
Good afternoon!!!
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613. CaneWarning 16. јун 2010, 20:05 GMT    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
I wonder about Meeks, whether the fact that he is the only candidate for governor in Florida who opposed offshore oil drilling from day 1. Whether that will help him.


Have you seen the latest polls? Meek is a virtual unknown in Florida. He may not even win the primary as his opponent is polling only 2 points behind him. It's really a race between tea-bagger Rubio and Crist. My vote is for Crist. Meek doesn't have a shot.
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614. JRRP 16. јун 2010, 20:06 GMT    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


The caption to this photo was:

"Gov. Charlie Crist checks a Florida beach for signs of oil"

nice picture
see you later
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615. twhcracker 16. јун 2010, 20:07 GMT    
here is a picture of dennis first band that came thru, and it didnt even hit us.

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617. stillwaiting 16. јун 2010, 20:09 GMT    
41mph winds reported at sarasota airport,.75 inchess of rain as well,summertime pattern starting to make its presence felt in SWFL!!!!!
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619. stillwaiting 16. јун 2010, 20:10 GMT    
sarasota has still never had a recorded major landfall!!!!,look where we are,it almost seems long overdue....
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620. Hurricanes101 16. јун 2010, 20:11 GMT    
Quoting FloridaPanhandler:
I have a dumb question. I see in the EPAC, we have TD2E and Invest 93E. They are within 2 or 3 tenths of a degree from each other. Why are they classified as different systems when they are virtually on top of each other? Aren't they basically the same system?


They are actually the same system. For some reason WU is slow in removing 93E lol
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621. MechEngMet 16. јун 2010, 20:11 GMT    
Joe Bastardi on national radio right now discussing GOM tropical weather and the oil spill. ('Hean Sannity' radio -wink)
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622. MiamiHurricanes09 16. јун 2010, 20:11 GMT    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


The caption to this photo was:

"Gov. Charlie Crist checks a Florida beach for signs of oil"
I don't think he was necessarily looking for oil at the instance, :).
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625. CaneWarning 16. јун 2010, 20:13 GMT    
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
I would go for Christ, unless Meek had a chance. If Meek puts out ads showing that he was the only one who consistently opposed offshore drilling in Florida waters, it may help him.

Jacksonville commercials are all for or against Rick Scott.


You've got mail.
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626. SavannahStorm 16. јун 2010, 20:13 GMT    
Quoting JRRP:

nice picture
see you later



Umm... See you, too!
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627. MiamiHurricanes09 16. јун 2010, 20:16 GMT    
Quoting kanc2001:


speaking in pure climatology FL and NC are most likely to get hit on the east coast, SC third and GA 4th... I assuming by your numbers you are going against climatology this season?
I just looked at previous seasons such as this one in terms of NAO (The location of the B/A high) and Florida and the rest of the GOM coast are at the highest risk. Also most of the time that a hurricane hits the GOM coast it usually went through Florida first so you have to take that into consideration. The best analog in terms of NAO is 1960, and for those that recall Category 5 hurricane Donna hit south Florida that year from Africa so, you get it.
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628. cg2916 16. јун 2010, 20:16 GMT    
Hey guys, 92L is not looking too good. Wind shear got the better of it, FTP and Dvorak numbers are down. I highly doubt it'll survive the shear, but this has always surprised us.
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629. alpharenz 16. јун 2010, 20:16 GMT    


You can definitely see the surface circulation tored apart from the upper level circulation.

Just a quick question, if this surface circulation goes throw the shear, could it reincarnate?
630. clwstmchasr 16. јун 2010, 20:21 GMT    
Quoting CaneWarning:
Severe storms in Hillsborough County northwest of Tampa.


I was right on the edge of the storm. We got horrific lightening and the winds picked up to about 35mph. I could tell that close by someone was getting a severe storm. It never rained really hard - we only got .3 inches.
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631. Patrap 16. јун 2010, 20:21 GMT    
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632. Floodman 16. јун 2010, 20:24 GMT    
Quoting SavannahStorm:


The caption to this photo was:

"Gov. Charlie Crist checks a Florida beach for signs of oil"


Muahahaha...yup, "looking for oil"; that's apparently what they're calling it these days
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633. ElConando 16. јун 2010, 20:24 GMT    
Quoting MiamiHurricanes09:
I don't think he was necessarily looking for oil at the instance, :).


I think that puts to rest the accusation of his sexual orientation.
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634. aspectre 16. јун 2010, 20:25 GMT    
194 hendric "One thing you have to realize is that the oil&gas has sand entrained with it, and that sand is acting as a sandblasting agent, widening the narrowest point (probably somewhere in the BOP). So it is totally possible that each flow rate estimate is accurate at the time. The flow rate will continue to go up until the reservoir at the bottom starts lowering pressure."

I took that into consideration, and decided that the pores within the crude deposit near the pipe intake are also being gradually clogged by such particles; at least enough to balance any pipe-widening due to the scouring thus far.

I really do try to remain conservative when calculating minimum spill rates, eg:
I've seen estimates of the increase in flow rate after the cutting of the BlowoutPreventer pipe as low as "4to5%". If one were to assume that there was a 5% increase, then the pre-cut flow rate (and pre-cut spill rate) would have been 20/21sts of 35,000barrels per day, or 33,333barrels per day.
Instead I used a 20% increase from "up to 20%" to derive a significantly lower minimum pre-cut spill rate of 29,166barrels per day.
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635. gator23 16. јун 2010, 20:27 GMT    
Quoting ElConando:


I think that puts to rest the accusation of his sexual orientation.

i thought that too, maybe not.
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636. IKE 16. јун 2010, 20:29 GMT    
It was just a matter of time here in the Florida panhandle/from the oil volcano...Okaloosa County,FL...

" Staff Reports
Daily News

3 p.m. - The county health department is advising people to stay out of the water, according to a press release.

People are urged to avoid all contact with the water on Okaloosa Island from Eglin property to the eastern boundary of Beasley Park, the Okaloosa County Health Department release reads. "No wading, swimming, or entering the water.""
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637. germemiguel 16. јун 2010, 20:29 GMT    
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638. Patrap 16. јун 2010, 20:31 GMT    
.."itsa crude, crude Summer"..
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639. Ossqss 16. јун 2010, 20:31 GMT    


Way to go Charlie, Gheeze
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640. Relix 16. јун 2010, 20:32 GMT    
So 92L has passed away?
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641. IKE 16. јун 2010, 20:34 GMT    
Houston, Texas (CNN) -- In the hours after a 2005 refinery explosion that left 15 people dead, a BP executive suggested a holiday weekend and the national furor over a Florida woman's last days would eclipse the tragedy.

With the oil company now battling to save an image tarnished by the worst oil spill in U.S. history, the lawyer who found that e-mail among a mountain of BP documents says nothing appears to have changed.

"Their strategy is the same every time ... And it's always, first, damage control," Brent Coon told CNN. "And with damage control, they accentuate the positive, downplay the negative, tell everybody they're sorry, they're gonna fix it, they're gonna do better, and not to worry."
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644. hurricanejunky 16. јун 2010, 20:37 GMT    
Quoting Floodman:


Muahahaha...yup, "looking for oil"; that's apparently what they're calling it these days


He's dreamin' of drillin' for some crude...or is that crude?
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645. weathersp 16. јун 2010, 20:38 GMT    
Quoting Relix:
So 92L has passed away?


Fray'ed so... <(Its a pun!)

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646. Caribbeanislands101 16. јун 2010, 20:38 GMT    
:D
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647. CaneWarning 16. јун 2010, 20:39 GMT    
Quoting weathersp:


Fray'ed so... <(Its a pun!)



That was just wrong...please have respect for the recently departed... :)
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648. Caribbeanislands101 16. јун 2010, 20:41 GMT    
have a good night everybody!!
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649. kanc2001 16. јун 2010, 20:42 GMT    
Quoting Patrap:
.."itsa crude, crude Summer"..


....leaving me here on my own
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650. soloco 16. јун 2010, 20:43 GMT    
Quoting btwntx08:
check my radar here the squall from mexico made it here raining good right now


I'm in Reynosa, MX.......right on the edge of the squall, for now.
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651. Caribbeanislands101 16. јун 2010, 20:43 GMT    
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